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    Israel, unfortunately, has lately been at its zenith relative to Arab/muslim forces. Is it possible there is an upside--perceiving no serious threat from neighboring states, the Israeli army is becoming complacent, maybe neglecting training and preparedness for conventional war? Or maybe defense spending will be cut?

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    No, the complacency is on the Arab side.

    http://osnetdaily.com/2014/05/israel...-increase-400/

    http://www.asiandefencenews.com/2014...g-missile.html

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    • #3
      OK thanks for the info, sorry to hear that....Israel seems focused on Hez and Hamas, which is understandable given that no arab state actively opposes Israel now.

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      • #4
        Why is that, starman?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gonjeeshk View Post
          Why is that, starman?
          Arab states are internally preoccupied.

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          • #6
            That's a shame. The Arab countries next to the occupation could achieve so much if they could get past their internal divisions and co-operate with each other.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gonjeeshk View Post
              That's a shame. The Arab countries next to the occupation could achieve so much if they could get past their internal divisions and co-operate with each other.

              Right and there's another requirement, money. Essntially the main problem dogging frontline arab states for the past half century or so is lack of enough funding from wealthy gulf states. If only they'd shell out, big time, Egypt, Syria (after stability returns) and Jordan would be able to match Israel.

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              • #8
                Saudis are spending 70 billion on their army now annually. This is higher than England, France, Spain, Italy, Canada, Germany, Japan, Korea, India, Iran, Turkey, ect. They are 4th place now after Russia, China and US, and will probably exceed Russian military spending by next year. Saudi complacency and dependence on British-American protection is coming to an end as they are now for the first time building a serious army.

                Problem is though, that they have absolutely no intention of doing anything to Israel with that army and instead they are preparing for war with Iran. Saudi ministers recently visited Israel to discuss Arab-Israeli cooperation in war against Iran.

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                • #9
                  The Saudis are spending that money to protect their palaces and insulate themselves from their own people. They have no intention of going to war with Iran as they couldn't even hold their own against Yemen. They're trying to get the US and Israel to attack Iran for them.
                  There is a level of incompetence in the Saudi military that is staggering.
                  Over-spending tens of billions for shiny new weapons systems that you have no idea how to operate does not make you a credible fighting force.

                  The $70 billion they spent on weapons may only cost about $20 billion if anyone else was buying it. But it's still too complex for them to operate on their own.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post
                    The Saudis are spending that money to protect their palaces and insulate themselves from their own people.
                    Sure but their buildup may backfire. If they keep building up their armed forces some of the younger officers may get ideas just like Nasser and his clique in '52.

                    There is a level of incompetence in the Saudi military that is staggering.
                    Yes we saw that in the Gulf war of '91.


                    Over-spending tens of billions for shiny new weapons systems that you have no idea how to operate does not make you a credible fighting force.
                    Someday if only there's regime change in Riyadh, the weapons may be put to better use by those able to operate them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post
                      The Saudis are spending that money to protect their palaces and insulate themselves from their own people. They have no intention of going to war with Iran as they couldn't even hold their own against Yemen. They're trying to get the US and Israel to attack Iran for them.
                      There is a level of incompetence in the Saudi military that is staggering.
                      Over-spending tens of billions for shiny new weapons systems that you have no idea how to operate does not make you a credible fighting force.

                      The $70 billion they spent on weapons may only cost about $20 billion if anyone else was buying it. But it's still too complex for them to operate on their own.
                      What you say is correct for the past, and I used to say exact same things, but things change...

                      Saudis have acknowledged the weakness and incompetence of the military. Although they publicly claimed victory in Yemen, the King himself was furious at the army for their incompetence and defeat.

                      Now things are different. Sure they still might be overpaying for some stuff, but they are for the first time making a serious attempt to build a serious military, that's not just a circus for their children to play with dangerous toys, and just a bribe to Western countries. They are buying missiles, srbms in large numbers, stockpiling them and building up a serious ground army.Now they can't change their army's nature in 1 day but if this trend continues in 10-years time they will have most powerful army in Muslim world. By next year they might already be outspending Russia and in 5-years may already have caught up China. They are also for the first time investing in factories that can build actual supplies, ammunition, etc. for their army.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
                        Now things are different. Sure they still might be overpaying for some stuff, but they are for the first time making a serious attempt to build a serious military, that's not just a circus for their children to play with dangerous toys, and just a bribe to Western countries. They are buying missiles, srbms in large numbers, stockpiling them and building up a serious ground army.Now they can't change their army's nature in 1 day but if this trend continues in 10-years time they will have most powerful army in Muslim world. By next year they might already be outspending Russia and in 5-years may already have caught up China. They are also for the first time investing in factories that can build actual supplies, ammunition, etc. for their army.
                        Surely this is risky in that many of the officers and men are or will be commoners, and may begin to get ideas when armed en masse. I assume the saudis are arming because they think they can no longer rely on the US. In fact they could as the '91 war demonstrated but there's one area where the US indeed can't help--an internal coup or revolution. The saudis may be making that more likely, albeit not right away.

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                        • #13
                          Someday if only there's regime change in Riyadh, the weapons may be put to better use by those able to operate them
                          There's a reason the US won't sell F-15's to Egypt.

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