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    Paid for by the Saudis.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-secur...les-warplanes/

  • #2
    Why are the Saudis paying and what chance of Russia supplying all the armaments mentioned?

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    • #3
      The Saudis were the sponsors for the military coup. Since the US is withholding deliveries on further F-16's, Egypt started looking elsewhere for it's toys, and it's sponsors are willing to pay for it. Russia will deliver, because it is being isolated, and it's economy is collapsing. It needs foreign currency.

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      • #4
        This is very interesting but if Russian weapons are intended to counter a potential Israeli threat, Egypt needs better systems than MIG-29s and Kornets. And it needs much more than $2 billion worth. That said, turning to Russia was long overdue. It never made sense to rely on Israel's toady for national defense.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post
          The Saudis were the sponsors for the military coup. Since the US is withholding deliveries on further F-16's, Egypt started looking elsewhere for it's toys, and it's sponsors are willing to pay for it. Russia will deliver, because it is being isolated, and it's economy is collapsing. It needs foreign currency.
          How far can they take that, without leaving the American sphere of influence?

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          • #6
            The Egyptian military is not designed to counter an Israeli threat, it never was. The military establishment is tied very closely to Israel.
            Egypt's military is designed to counter an Islamic threat, from within it's borders, and with other neighbouring countries.

            Under the present administration, the US has very little influence with third world countries, and what little influence it used to have is declining.
            Other countries, (Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States) are writing far bigger cheques.
            The US provides Egypt with $1.75 billion in 'foreign aid' which is in the form of arms sales.
            Saudi Arabia wrote a cheque for $10 billion when the military overthrew the MB. The Gulf states also came in with billions.
            So US influence vaporized with those numbers.

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            • #7
              It seems that Egypt will not make a serious effort to buy enough armaments to counter the zionist occupation. What would it need in order to do so?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post
                The Egyptian military is not designed to counter an Israeli threat, it never was.
                It countered it fairly effectively early in the '73 war, and if you concur with Shazli, it could've prevailed had only he and not Sadat, made the decisions. Heck, it could've held out even in '67--despite its inadequate prior preparation-- had it not deployed so much force so close to the frontier.

                The military establishment is tied very closely to Israel.
                It is true that after his experience in the chinese farm, Tantawi was dead against further confrontation but he's gone.

                Egypt's military is designed to counter an Islamic threat, from within it's borders, and with other neighbouring countries.
                It has in fact continued to see Israel as a key potential enemy, hence the Badr maneuvers in Sinai. Egypt's military is far bigger and stronger than it would have to be just to counter dinky Libya and Sudan. And you don't need antiaircraft systems to fight guerillas.

                Saudi Arabia wrote a cheque for $10 billion when the military overthrew the MB. The Gulf states also came in with billions.
                So US influence vaporized with those numbers.
                I hope for Egypt's sake the money keeps rolling in and aid provided to date is just a start.

                What would it need in order to do so?
                How about the Russian SU-35, and/or the Chinese J-20, supposedly superior to the US F-35. Of course it'll be several years at best before the latter might become available--in exchange for oil(?)--but nobody is expecting an early confrontation anyway. The S-400 and a tank under development wouldn't hurt either. Btw Egypt probably would make a serious attempt to get more and better weapons if only it had lots more money.
                Last edited by starman; 08-24-2014, 07:31 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by starman View Post
                  How about the Russian SU-35, and/or the Chinese J-20, supposedly superior to the US F-35. Of course it'll be several years at best before the latter might become available--in exchange for oil(?)--but nobody is expecting an early confrontation anyway. The S-400 and a tank under development wouldn't hurt either. Btw Egypt probably would make a serious attempt to get more and better weapons if only it had lots more money.
                  That's informative. It's strange that the Egyptian people don't replace the American and zionist-friendly system with a government that would make a serious attempt. They could start by increasing their domestic armaments industries.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gonjeeshk View Post

                    That's informative. It's strange that the Egyptian people don't replace the American and zionist-friendly system with a government that would make a serious attempt.
                    Exactly what I've been saying for years. On the one hand, Badr maneuvers indicate Israel is still viewed as a key potential adversary, on the other, they're dependent on weapons from Israel's staunchest backer. Doesn't make sense. I think the "zionist friendly" problem originally stemmed from Sadat's military ineptitude in '73. Clueless about how to fight a war but unwilling to give up his power, Sadat inevitably turned to the US, a decision reinforced by the Soviet collapse of 1989-91. But now there's a more assertive Russia and China is also fast gaining vis a vis the US.

                    They could start by increasing their domestic armaments industries.
                    I dunnoo...to stand up to Israel, they'll need world class weapons systems--the very best and latest. Perhaps inevitably, they'll have to turn to France, China, Russia. Even if Egyptian engineers have the know how to produce the best, money is still a problem. I just heard that UAE planes bombed Islamic forces in Libya using Egyptian bases (Mersa Matruh?). So it appears Egypt is willing to begin intervening in Libya. Besides fighting Islamists, you'd think they'd be tempted to take Libya's oil wealth, since it's a washed up, failed state anyway, and Cairo sure needs money.
                    Last edited by starman; 08-26-2014, 02:44 PM.

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                    • #11
                      The focus for Egyptians should not be on Israel for the moment but on their own domestic issues. El Sissi who is for all practical purposes Mubarak II, is now firmly in power and the people seem to have mainly run out of steam. Most Egyptians are tired from 3 years of chaos and have basically given up. Only people resisting Sissi's dictatorship are Muslim Brotherhood and Salafist scumbags.

                      The Egyptian army is not an enemy of Israel but an enemy of the Egyptian people and to beat Israeli army, they must defeat their own army first. But there is nobody who can take over if they take Sissi out. All the Liberal opposition are Westernized stooges and all the "Islamic" opposition are also corrupt pro-US establishment but will try to kill Egyptian minorities and export Jihad to Syria.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
                        The focus for Egyptians should not be on Israel for the moment but on their own domestic issues. El Sissi who is for all practical purposes Mubarak II, is now firmly in power and the people seem to have mainly run out of steam. Most Egyptians are tired from 3 years of chaos and have basically given up. Only people resisting Sissi's dictatorship are Muslim Brotherhood and Salafist scumbags.
                        So it doesn't look like there can or will be focus on domestic issues--at least political ones. If nothing can or will be done internally, maybe they should focus on some external issue.

                        The Egyptian army is not an enemy of Israel but an enemy of the Egyptian people and to beat Israeli army, they must defeat their own army first.
                        Tall order...Even if they tried, the opposition can't beat the army just try to get it to abandon the current Mubarak just like it did the first. But if they're too apathetic now..... forget it.

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                        • #13
                          Any more news about the weapons?

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                          • #14
                            Vladimir Putin Just Gave Egypt’s President the Most Putin Gift Ever

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                            By Joshua Keating

                            Russian President Vladimir Putin gives an AK-47 rifle as a gift to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi during an informal dinner on Feb. 9, 2015, in Cairo.
                            Photo by Pool/MENA/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

                            Never one for subtlety, Vladimir Putin, seeking new markets for Russian weapons exports, today gave Egyptian President Abel-Fatah al-Sisi an unusual gift: AKalashnikov assault rifle.

                            Sisi should probably feel honored by the present, which puts him in good company. Putin recently gave China’s Xi Jinping a Russian-made smartphone—I would assume he’s not using it for any sensitive calls—and Barack Obama got some nice plates and teacups before his relationship with Vladimir went sour.

                            Sisi rolled out the red carpet for Putin’s visit, with posters of the Russian leader hanging throughout Cairo. In addition to the business being conducted—the two leaders are discussing arms sales and events in the Middle East—the trip is symbolically important for both leaders. For Sisi, it’s a demonstration that he can conduct foreign policy independently of the United States. Putin, meanwhile, wants to show that he’s not entirely isolated by the U.S. and European backlash over the war in Ukraine.

                            The hardy and simple AK-47 is one of the world’s most ubiquitous weapons and one of Russia’s most successful exports, though it’s designer and namesake, Mikhail Kalashnikov, reportedly felt guilty before his death in 2013 over the millions of deaths caused by his creation. It’s tempting to wonder if the gift is a rebuke to Obama, who dismissed Russia last year as a fading power that “doesn’t make anything.” It sure does make one thing.



                            Joshua Keating is a staff writer at Slate focusing on international affairs.


                            http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...president.html

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                            • #15
                              Its happening allot faster than I thought it would. This is a great move.

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